Baby!!!

[scooter]

FV, please stop being such a control freak!

The message board is to discuss Shania. It is there for members to pass on news, gossip,facts,and fiction.

For you to decide what can be posted is fine, but as long as it's not derogatory, who the heck cares if it is rumor.

The official website should be the place where "FACTS" are posted. NOT the message board.

[FV]

Dear Scooter,
the purpose of this message board is to report facts on Shania and her music supported by evidence..We can speculate on Shania, but discussing "Eilleen's baby" is a topic that should be debated with caution since it pertains more to Eilleen than to Shania..We are not interested in spreading gossips... http://www.shania-twain.org/messages/frown.gif We do have stricter rules on this board..

PS. Lindsay (alias Scooter, based upon your computer IP address), you could have simply posted your comment using your own login, instead that creating a new one to express an opinion without letting the others (and especially the person you are referring to in the post) knowing about it..I am saddened... http://www.shania-twain.org/messages/frown.gif

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FV

[This message has been edited by FV (edited 08-19-2001).]

[Sheri]

I think the purpose of this board is to discuss Shania, absolutely, but more importantly, it's to SUPPORT her. And God knows, there's NOBODY more anxious to hear "the news" than I am (although everybody in this Shania family is just AS anxious), if its her desire to keep it private until the world absolutely won't allow it for one moment longer (gosh darn it!), then so be it.

[Sheri]

That had to be the most rambling post in the history of the personal computer, but assume I made some sort of point there. http://www.shania-twain.org/messages/smile.gif

[Rocco]

I agree with Scooter. The RULES suck on this board. If you really want to give Shania or Eilleen her privacy, how about shutting down the site completely! There you go, then no one can talk about her!

You guys who run the board should learn to cool out a bit! Who cares if it's rumours. The rumours are coming from radio stations, magazines, newspapers. None of us started any of it!

[Vivashania]

This is not a gossip column. This is the official message board of the semi-official Shania Fan Club. We are fortunate to have moderators who try to maintain accuracy in reported "news" and show support for Shania's wishes. FV and the gang, keep up the good work!

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[scooter]

FV:
1st, Lindsay did not make that post. I follow the message board as well as she does. She had nothing to do with my post, and as you may realize more than one person can share a computer...

As for the subject: Shania Twain (Eileen) became a public entity when she went into her profession. I respect her privacy too and would never suggest invading it, but no where in your rules does it say rumors cannot be posted. What they do say is "have fun" Some people enjoy reading these rumors and as long as they aren't posted as fact, who does it harm?

Thanks for your time
Lindsay's father.

[Roger]

Scooter, I appreciate it doesn't feel nice when rules are imposed on a messageboard. Unfortunately, I have seen what happens on other boards that are not moderated at all or very little. The results are horrible. Also bear in mind that gossip can be very harmful to whoever is being gossiped about. Surely we don't want to harm Shania!

I have been asked to draft a code of conduct for this board which reflects the thinking of the moderators. When it comes out you will see that there aren't really very many rules. In fact, they aren't really rules. They are general principles and you the participants of the board will have to decide for yourself each time you post how to apply the principles. These principles pertain to such things as respecting each other, and Shania, and her privacy.

This board has always been so great exactly because the members have demonstrated maturity in these matters. If we continue in this path, people will still want to come back to us again and again.

Roger

[Steve F]

I like this Messageboard just the way it is. The way it is run is why I am here. It is also why I rarely ever use the countless other sites out there that aren't associated with it with the STNAOFC. I respect the way the moderators conduct themselves. So, if someone feels they can't respect that, then hey everyone has free will when it comes to something like this and should follow their own feelings. However, I would hate to see anyone leave. For the most I enjoy everyone's posts here.

Steve

[Sheri]

Yes, Shania is a public figure, and yes, she did indeed make that choice, knowing that the trade off for the successful career in music and the joy of singing for her fans would be rumors, stalkers, gossip columnists, etc. She has not complained, but the only place she feels entirely safe would seem to be her estate. The moderators and a great majority of the members have gone out of their way to make this messageboard another "safe place" for her. Let's continue to work at that.

[FV]

Lindsay's Father (scooter),
my sincere apologies to Lindsay! I made a mistake and I am ready to apologize. http://www.shania-twain.org/messages/smile.gif
Regarding the rules on this board, I am sure that if you have followed this board in the past you have noticed that many times other music websites have used the posts made here as "news source" for their own websites..because of this situation, and following what has happened after last March when we talked about our discovery of Shania's pregnancy BEFORE she announced it, very likely forcing her to announce it...we need to be very respectful of Shania's privacy..
Shania herself has stated that one of the reasons she was moving to Switzerland was to regain her privacy..I really respect her for this..
So far there have been rumors in general about the possible baby birth..rumors that no one representing Shania has confirmed..This message board is definitively to discuss about Shania and her music, but there are some topics of discussion that might invade her privacy..It is Eilleen who is giving birth, not "Shania"..if no official announcement has been made, discussing a rumor can once again force Shania to make the official announcement if the baby has already been born..
We need to be extremely careful when we debate about individuals' private lives..Having fun is good! debating Shania's private life when she has not made any announcement yet is not so fun, especially for Eilleeen.. http://www.shania-twain.org/messages/frown.gif
I hope I expressed myself clearly.. http://www.shania-twain.org/messages/smile.gif...as Roger has stated, as it was suggested a while ago, there will be soon a link from the board to a code of conduct, so that fans who have questions might review it..in any case let me say that we do this simply because we care about Eilleen/Shania...I doubt that she would be thrilled to have gossips (namely rumors without evidence) spread..

By the way, scooter, I am not a control freak, Roger is.. http://www.shania-twain.org/messages/biggrin.gif LOL http://www.shania-twain.org/messages/wink.gif

Just kidding Roger!!!!!!!! http://www.shania-twain.org/messages/smile.gif



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Cheers,
FV

[lindsay]

Incase you havent noticed i havent posted here in awhile and ill tell you why.

When someone heres something i think its extreamly great that they share it with all since some of us live in different parts of the country and never get to here stuff from new areas, when their was stuff about shanias new album comming out and that it was almost done and some heard she was moving to wiscons they shared their thoughs, i know because i was one to share the news that i heard on my radio, so whats the difference about a baby it is just something someone has heard its not like they stood out front her door on august 12th or whatever day it was and then came here and siad oh shania had a baby and i know that for sure, they didnt they just said that they heard it so i think that it is ok to talk about somethign they heard and as for the excitment well they may get excited and think its true and maybe it is but their gonna be excited when they find out weather it was a rumor at first or not.

thanks for the appology fv, i really hate to be treated as a different person that iam not but i am one to attend my opinon as for right now which i am doing so and my concern is that i think we should be able to say whatever we want that is about shania and if its too much of her private life topic then maybe just dont reply and we wont have a battle. cause i for one would hate to see this place fall apart over a battle that has to be so debated about what we talk about so i think if anyone thinks the topic is to personal then just dont reply just let it sit a zero and if someone eles doesnt think so and they wanna reply then so be it.
thanks for understanding to which i hope most of you do so i would hate to leave which i almost have more then once to the battles that go on here.
lindsay

PS IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS FEEL FREE TO EMAIL.

[cbspock]

Originally posted by Rocco:
I agree with Scooter. The RULES suck on this board. If you really want to give Shania or Eilleen her privacy, how about shutting down the site completely! There you go, then no one can talk about her!

You guys who run the board should learn to cool out a bit! Who cares if it's rumours. The rumours are coming from radio stations, magazines, newspapers. None of us started any of it!

Well the rules were made for a reason,
I agree with FV and Vivashania, this is not a gossip board. This club was formed to support Shania and her music. It serves no purpose to spread gossip, about Shania and her family. It is well known that Shania wanted to keep this moment in her life private betweem her and Mutt. As fans, we should respect her wishes. Just because she is a 'celebrity' does not make her life an open book, as some of the people tend to think it should be. This board also seems to serve as a source of news for other websites, both Shania related or related to country music, we should not be a source of gossip for them. so if your going to post something about this baby rumor as news, please post a link to the source.

-Chris



[This message has been edited by cbspock (edited 08-19-2001).]

[scooter]

I didn't intend to start a war. This is my last post on this or any other subject.

Shania would be better off if she just released the info herself in a timely manner. By keeping everything private, the rumors start and spread uncontrollably. You all know where that leads to.

She is the greatest thing that has happened to music in about 50 yrs so people are interested. Any word about her at all spreads like wildfire, and due to the lack of facts released by her the rumors fill the vacuum.

Whenever she has her baby, I wish her and Mutt and the baby the best of luck. Hopefully she will release photos of the baby herself to get rid of the newshounds that constantly dog her.

Keep the Faith. http://www.shania-twain.org/messages/smile.gif

[Jud]

I'm agree with you Lindsay in one, when I don't like a topic, or my personal opinion can hurt someone else, I'm just not posting.
And of course we can have the freedom tell things.
But in my opinion, this whole "the celebrities are public domain" is a phenomen far to be normal, and went out of controll totally. I mean, they must feel like in "Truman's Life" or like being in a telenovella or something. They just don't have a moment when they can be only themselves, pure humen being (bad and good, right and wrong) as we are. No wonder if they going nuts, and need rehabilitations, that marriages collapsing etc under such a pressure.
So when we post news, we must be carefull, because today with the internet everything spread away very fast without controll. That's all I have to say!
Ps: I like Shania very much and she's an inspiration for me, and I want hear about her music and know that she is like I think she is. But I don't want to know every little detail of her life, just as I have my own secrets, she (and any celebrity) has the right for them too.
Sorry for the long post.

[DOC BILL]

Here's my 2 cents. Be careful not to brand questions that are brought here for discussion or confirmation as rumours. Many times folks hear something and want to find out if others have heard it or know anything about it. I did that with the email I got the other day. When issues or questions are brought here and confirmed or refuted by the many knowledgeable folks visiting this site we actually STOP rumours from occurring. Per the freedom to know everything private about a public figure I'd say this. It depends on the figure. Shania has made it abundantly clear that she wants a private life. In her case I think her public life is entirely fair game for any discussion but as fans and especially on this board which is dedicated to supporting her and her music, we should ALWAYS respect her plainly shown desire to have a private life. Our posts should always be mindful and respectful of her desire for privacy if we want to show our appreciation for her life and music. I fell the moderators here have a deep love for Shania and a honest understanding of her privacy desires and work very hard in a fair manner to maintain fair ethical standards on this board. This board is an example, thru their hard work and standards, of what a fan messageboard should be! I think Shania is probably very happy with and very proud of this board and I'm sure she appreciates being treated as a PERSON here when it comes to her private life. DOC

[cbspock]

Doc, as always, another great, well thought out and well said post.

-Chris

[Steve F]

Nicely put DOC. I totally agree.

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"To Know My Music Is To Know Me", Shania Twain.

Every time a Shania song or video is played, the World knows "Shania" a little better than before!!!!

[Londo]

There is a point I want to make on this discussion. I don’t think there is always good not to discuss a rumor. Doc partially touched this subject, but I’d like to take a little more into detail.

If let’s say I’m a person looking for news about Shania, I don’t think it’s reasonable to assume this is the only board I would be looking for news. I would go and look for on many others. Of course if I would find something here I would be more tempted to believe than if I would learn it from other places, but I’ll get to that point soon enough. So... If I find a story on one board, I have 2 choices: one is to take it as being true, not to dig more to find out if there are confirmations, etc., so I go right ahead and print the story. That would make me a classic rumor spreader. That usually happens if I don’t really care about Shania, I just want to sell a story. This is the situation when discussing a rumor on a forum is having negative consequences. However if I really want a story I could go right ahead and invent one, since I know for example that Shania has to deliver a baby sometimes this period of time, why not invent something small and until it becomes clear what happened, the news of the real delivery becomes public and this whole thing might even boost my credibility if the timing was right.

The second thing I could do when I read a story on a board is to look for confirmation elsewhere. So I start reading other boards from other sites. Let’s say I find the story on other places, without any details that would completely satisfy me. Then I come here and I see there is no mentioning of this story, because the people here rightfully regarded it as a rumor and don’t discuss it. So based on what I have I could decide, with some doubts in my mind to make the story public wherever I work. However when I came to this board looking for confirmation I did it knowing that there are very serious and reliable people here. If I would have found out a discussion based on that rumor here, which I also know is one of the best informed sites, a discussion which to clarify that that story is nothing but a rumor, I would more than surely decide not to print the story, since this was the first mature discussion on the subject other than “I’ve heard that....”.

In another example, I may hear something on the radio. (I wanted for a moment to give a fictive example, but I was afraid of not turning it into a rumor if posting it lol) Then I come here, asking people if they heard it too. When I find out I’m not really allowed to discuss rumors like that, I get angry and go to another board and ask there. Many of those people might get over excited and/or misunderstand, and there goes the neighborhood.

So there are cases when discussing a rumor is better than leaving it dead. Not all of them of course, as many of you pointed out.

I think one of the important questions that we should ask ourselves is what role should we play in this whole situation. Should we act as a small community of people, restrained to this board, or should be take into consideration the bigger picture, what is happening around us on the net, and act related to that, although it may prove to be a nut way too hard to crack.

[Roger]

Doc and Londo, you make good points. There are no easy answers here and I don't think all the moderators necessarily see eye to eye on all points in this discussion. It is perfectly true that dealing with a rumour openly here can be useful if it results in a false rumour getting squelched. In addition, even if less than flattering rumours turn out to be true sometimes, those of us on this board who know so much about Shania may be able to put the issue in a more balanced perspective. However, there are more clear-cut cases where non-discussion is really the best. In my personal opinion, the latest rumours about the birth of Shania's baby fall in that category because all of the reports seem to be feeding off each other in this story. The most detailed story comes from the National Enquirer which is often dead wrong in its assertions. So really, I think the best policy right now is just to wait. If there is truth to the rumours now circulating, more credible sources will emerge eventually.

Roger

[DOC BILL]

Isn't funny how we as humans can complicate even the most joyous of occasions. DOC

[shania fanatic2003]

I MUST SAY SOMETHING ESPECIALLY COMING FROM A MATURE 15 YEAR OLD....

NOW WE ARE ALL SHANIA TWAIN FANS AND PROUD OF IT. BUT IT'S JUST THAT SENSE THAT THIS WHOLE CELEBRITY THING IS ALL FAKE AND A FAD MADE UP MOSTLY BY THE HIGHER CLASS OF SOME SORT AND WHAT I NOTICE BY SOME OF HER FANS IS THAT SOME OF THEM DON'T REALIZE THAT SHE IS JUST ANOTHER PERSON JUST LIKE THE REST OF US. AND JUST LIKE JUD SAID IN QUOTE IT'S A "TRUMAN LIFE". IN THE WORDS OF EMINEM IN QUOTE"I CAN'T TAKE A S*** IN THE BATHROOM WITHOUT SOMEONE STANDIN BY IT. IF YOU SEE WHERE I AM COMING FROM IT'S JUST THAT ANY LITTLE INFO OR NEWS YOU WILL HEAR ABOUT THIS PERSON SHANIS TWAIN SOME OF HER FANS NEED TO REALIZE THAT IT'S JUST SOMETHING MORE COMING FROM THAT GOOD OLD FAD CALLED "CELEBRITY". I LIKE HER MUSIC BUT I TURN THE OTHER CHEEK ON HER PERSONAL STUFF BECAUSE IT'S REALLY NON OF MY BUSINESS.

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EBONY J BABY IS THE ONE YOU WANNA RUN TO THE ONE YOU WANNA KISS GOODNIGHT

[shania fanatic2003]

I MUST SAY SOMETHING ESPECIALLY COMING FROM A MATURE 15 YEAR OLD....

NOW WE ARE ALL SHANIA TWAIN FANS AND PROUD OF IT. BUT IT'S JUST THAT SENSE THAT THIS WHOLE CELEBRITY THING IS ALL FAKE AND A FAD MADE UP MOSTLY BY THE HIGHER CLASS OF SOME SORT AND WHAT I NOTICE BY SOME OF HER FANS IS THAT SOME OF THEM DON'T REALIZE THAT SHE IS JUST ANOTHER PERSON JUST LIKE THE REST OF US. AND JUST LIKE JUD SAID IN QUOTE IT'S A "TRUMAN LIFE". IN THE WORDS OF EMINEM IN QUOTE"I CAN'T TAKE A S*** IN THE BATHROOM WITHOUT SOMEONE STANDIN BY IT. IF YOU SEE WHERE I AM COMING FROM IT'S JUST THAT ANY LITTLE INFO OR NEWS YOU WILL HEAR ABOUT THIS PERSON SHANIA TWAIN SOME OF HER FANS NEED TO REALIZE THAT IT'S JUST SOMETHING MORE COMING FROM THAT GOOD OLD FAD CALLED "CELEBRITY". I LIKE HER MUSIC BUT I TURN THE OTHER CHEEK ON HER PERSONAL STUFF BECAUSE IT'S REALLY NONE OF MY BUSINESS. IT'S COOL TO TALK ABOUT HER AND REPLY TO TOPICS BUT SOME OF NEED TO REMEMBER THE REAL DEAL OF THE SITUATION

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EBONY J BABY IS THE ONE YOU WANNA RUN TO THE ONE YOU WANNA KISS GOODNIGHT

[Darrell]

Originally posted by DOC BILL:
Isn't funny how we as humans can complicate even the most joyous of occasions. DOC

Very well put Doc! http://www.shania-twain.org/messages/smile.gif

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You Win My Love, Darrell