How Far Will She Go?

[tides24]

This topic is from the ST Newsgroup. Interesting. Anybody have any opinions?

>>I'm sure that most people think that Shania will never pose nude or topless, and I agree. But how far would she go with her pics?

Shania has shown that she's not above posing in just a bra, to show off her cleavage. Or with posing in skin-tight rubber/latex, which highlighted her nipples (I was actually very surprised that she went this far for a magazine cover).

Would she go even farther, like alot of female celebrities are doing?

Would Shania pose in a thong or g-string, for a magazine like FHM?

Would Shania pose in see-through lingere?

Or do you think she'll be more conservative with her pics and layouts when her next album comes out?<<

[Bryce]

I somehow doubt Shania will go any farther than she has with her pictures.

I think the FHM shoots were done to get her noticed in the UK. After all the attitudes towards sex and nudity are different in the UK & Europe than here in North America. They even have nudity in TV commercials in Europe.

As for posing nude. Shania already has. Take a look at the cover for the CD single for YSTO. There is nothing revealing about it. Her arms are folded across her chest but she is topless. I don't think she would pose for pictures that showed anything. I still don't think there ever was anything behind the rumors that she was considering doing Playboy.

At one time she said we would never see her wearing shorts or a skirt. As we all know she has changed her mind there. Shania has said she is more comfortable with her body, but that doesn't mean she is going to start showing more of it off. I don't think we are going to see her in thongs and G-strings or anything see through with nothing on under neath.

If she were to ever pose for a picture I didn't like or felt went too far I wouldn't let it affect how I felt about her as a person or how I felt about her music. If I don't like a picture, well, no one is forcing me to look at it. I feel its her body and her decision. If I don't like it I don't have to look at it.

Bryce

[talkalot24]

This is just ridiculous. Shania has never shown *any part of her upper body* that should be hidden in her photographs. We have had this debate already, and it has been decided that that was a shadow or something. Shania would never show something like that in a picture. She would also never pose in a g-string or lingerie!!! NEVER!

[Roger]

I doubt Shania will show more of her body in the future. If she wants to be taken seriously for her music, I think it would be highly inadvisable for her to do so. As it is now, I know a lot of people already don't see beyond the beauty and sex appeal.

Roger

[TwigDancer16]

Personally, I think everyone should just LEAVE shania alone!!! She KNOWS what she is doing and i am SICK of the magazines saying that about her!!!! She can live her own life let her live it!! Stop dictating what she can and cannot wear! I would be REALLY mad if someone told me i couldn't take this picture b/c it showed too much skin!!! Sorry y'all had to vent hehe
Love Always,
Miss Twain

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Find You're Self Esteem and Be Forever Free To Dream!!!!! Words to live by!!!!

[Vivashania]

I am very confident in her good taste and judgement in this matter. I'd suspect Shania will occasionally pose for somwhat revealing pics, as she has in the past, but would be quite surprised if she went much further.

[DOC BILL]

The image that I have(or have created) in my mind of Shania actually makes this topic a bit uncomfortable for me. I don't see Shania as ever being more explicit in photos than she has been to this point. As a matter of fact I expect her to get more conservative. I think the look we saw at the CMA's is more where she's headed. I think the point of some of the photos in the past (ie FHM) being directed to the UK is reasoneable but I'd be surprised to see anything as, or more explicit than that in the future. Maybe I've developed the "she's like my sister" philosophy over time when it comes to Shania and this topic but there ain't nothin' I can do about that. I'd accept whatever Shania decides to do in the future as far this subject is concerned(it's her body), but I got to tell you if she were to get more explicit in future photos I'd be dissappointed as I think it would negatively impact on her ability to serve as a role model for the younger generation and as an ethical and social milestone for us older coots. DOC

[Steve F]

It's Shania's talent that got me first, her beauty got me second. Make no mistake about it, she is a strikingly beautiful woman, but more importantly, she is a very smart woman and knows what she is comfortable with. I respect that and will abide by whatever decision she makes. It's her life and her body. However, I don't believe she will go farther than she has in the past. In an interview during the VH1 ST Timeline episode, she said something to the effect that: "I don't think I could ever go nude in the front, ha ha!" She was embarrassed talking about it, you could tell. Of course she left open some possibilities with that statement. Time will tell. Personally, I hope she has reached her limit, but it's not my decision to make.

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It Looks Like It Is Going To Be A "Twaintastic" Day!
Steve

[FV]

I doubt Shania will show more than what she has showed so far..Now she is much more in control of her career and her image than before...The FHM photos were daring...but she does not look like the Shania we know in those..I would be very surprised if she were to do more pics like the FHM than all the others that she has done, especially the ones used for her single CDs...no matter whether her record label or her management were to push her towards more revealing photos..

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Cheers,
FV

[tides24]

Well, I for one, would like to see her give Marc Bouwer to Jo Dee Messina, and concentrate on using some new designers. The CMA dresses were absolutely wonderful; she was the classiest woman there. I'd like to see more of that. She can still do some fun things, like the pink cowgirl outfit, which I loved, but I'd like to see her take the high road a bit more, as befits her status. It's hard to be taken seriously when you're in purple latex. As much as I hate that Steve Earle, "world's highest paid lap dancer" remark, she did give him plenty of ammunition. It will really be interesting to see how she emerges from this hiatus, not just musically, but in the new videos, as well. We're in for quite a ride. http://www.shania-twain.org/messages/smile.gif

[Vivashania]

Since this subject has come up, this may be a good time to share an editorial I wrote for my web site a little over a year ago.

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Shania the Pin-Up Girl

Shania Twain was recently asked to comment on the contrast between her sexy videos and performance persona and her private personal conservatism. "All women are naturally sexy," she replied and went on to explain that they have different ways to show their femininity. For her, she explained, it was the music. Modest and non-flirtatious in real life, she likes to let her playful, sexy, feminine side come out in performance. The same can be said for Shania in photographs. Unposed photos of the relaxed Shania show a fresh, happy girl next door type with an easy smile. Many of her professional publicity photos and her choreographed magazine spreads show the sexy, feminine side. A little cleavage and plenty midriff are combined with more sultry facial expressions to create, photographically, an image of sensuality.

Shania's photo shoots for Rolling Stone and FHM, for instance, produced pictures that are classic examples of "pin-up" art. Some may question why Shania would want to do this. Aren't these the kind of pictures guys hang on garage walls? The answer is, "yes," but so what? Some people seem to confuse true pin-up art with "porno-lite." It is not. Pin-up art (as I am defining it) celebrates beauty and sensuality. Pornography (as I am defining it) is, by nature, vulgar and degrading. The difference can be difficult at times to describe, scientifically. It is not a matter of whether or not nudity is present. Michaelangelo's "David" and DaVinci's "Venus de Milo" are nude sculptures but no one considers them less than great art. It is, instead, a difference in intent.

Pornographers believe sex is "dirty" and so that is the way they portray it. The challenge to their premise is accepted, not by avoiding sensuality entirely, but by stepping up to the challenge and portraying it as beautiful. This was never done better than in the video "You're Still The One." Winner of MTV's award as Sexiest Video of the Year, YSTO is a celebration of the sensuality between two people in love, committed to each other for life. It is "anti-porn" of the strongest type because it directly challenges pornography's distorted view of sex.

Back to those garage walls. Whether politically correct or not, guys like to look at pretty girls. God did good with mountains, the stars and the Grand Canyon. All are beauties of Creation. He did even better with Eve. It's just the way it is and it's not going to change. Most guys will tell you that a picture of Virginia's Natural Bridge would be very pretty on their garage wall but Shania Twain has it beat. Now what's right and proper on a garage or dorm wall may not be in an office or certain other environments. Just because there is nothing inherently wrong with something doesn't mean it belongs everywhere. Likewise, just because something may not be well suited for one place doesn't mean it doesn't belong anywhere.

Pinups have a long and honorable history. The famous picture of actress Betty Grable in a bathing suit could be found wherever American soldiers were during World War II. It was the legalization of pornography and it's spread into our culture, with magazines and X-rated videos, that blurred the lines and caused confusion. Adding to the confusion is the fact that some actress-models, such as Julie Strain, can be found doing both "adult" material and classic pin-ups. In the confusion, Shania has been criticized because she is seen as a "sex-object." She did not seek that status but says, "I'm not going to go crawl in a corner." Good for her. Shania is not easily intimidated and knows she is doing nothing wrong. By portraying her sensuality as a natural and beautiful thing, Shania the pin-up girl, insists on being a complete woman and not stifling her femininity to please either ultra-conservatives who have bought into "sex is dirty" or ultra-feminists who want to repeal the laws of nature.

Another issue sometimes raised is whether Shania's pin-up calendars, posters, her career as a model for Revlon, etc. detract somehow from her image as a serious songwriter/performer. I used to operate an electronics repair shop and manage a band on the side. It never occurred to me that managing a band made me a less serious technician or vice versa. Shania's career as a model is actually to be viewed as a sideline. Her music stands or falls on its own, whether she's making lipstick commercials or not. Of course there's some overlap. Her success as an recording artist gave her the opportunity to sell calendars and endorse Revlon. Her magazine photos are used for album covers. Shania is taken plenty seriously by her peers in the music industry. Songwriting and entertainer awards prove that. Top stars are lining up for a chance at a duet or to employ her songwriting talents. The idea that some modeling on the side detracts from her image is sometimes a whine of people who never regarded her highly in the first place. Other times it's the concern of well meaning fans.

I'll bring up Playboy Magazine here because it represents, to many, a gray area in this issue. Considered by many to be a perfectly respectable magazine, and by others to be pornographic, Playboy became the focus of Shania fans' attention when rumors surfaced that she might appear in either a photo spread or interview. She will not. I am glad Shania Twain will not appear in Playboy. Not because the pictures would be vulgar or pornographic. They wouldn't be. I've seen Cindy Crawford's Playboy pictures and they are nothing more than nude figure studies of the type art and photography students in college do routinely. I would not want Shania even giving an interview to Playboy because it would lend her support to a publication that I find objectionable. Playboy was a supporter of the drug culture of the 60's, holding such characters as LSD guru Timothy Leary, up as heroes. They push a hedonistic philosophy that portrays women as just another valued possession to go along with your stereo and sports car. I don't like them. I know there are reasonable and decent people who hold a different view than I do and I respect their right to that view. I don't consider them morally inferior or anything like that. I just have my own view of the publication. Because Playboy is disliked by many conservative country fans and many feminist-oriented women, a Shania appearance could cause significant damage to her fan base. The fact that Shania is seen as a role model for children would add to the damage. She would lose her "shy girl" mystique that allows her to create a sensation by merely wearing a pair of shorts. It would not diminish one iota my respect for her talent, courage or character but I'd disagree with her judgment in the matter. I'm pleased that she has made it perfectly clear that she has no intention of appearing.

So, the shy girl from Canada who used to hide her femininity behind layers of loose clothes is now, however reluctantly, not only the world's greatest entertainer, but a supermodel as well. Her image graces the covers of women's magazines regularly, her calendars and posters grace the bedrooms of young girls and, yes, those garage walls too. Unsure and unaware of her own attractiveness, surprised by reactions to her early videos, Shania has comfortably accepted her role as visual icon. Flattered by her elevation to Cindy Crawford's status with Revlon, she can be expected to continue to be "everywoman." And part of that will be the occasional glimpse at her sensual side. The sweet, child-like Shania who shoots rubber bands at her audience goes on. But we will see the sultry pop-star from the cover of Q Magazine again, too. If she helps restore the respectability of the pin-up girl in the process, that's good.

The question on the front of this edition of The Shania Room was "Girl next door or femme fatale?" The answer is of course, "both." Aren't all women? Many entertainers create a one dimensional public persona and try to stay within that image at all times. Shania is too honest for that. She's a complicated human being and lets her contrasts, and even contradictions, show.

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[cbspock]

WOW!!!
Excellent article Vivashania!!!
I saw an interview Shania did on a TV show in Australia. The interviewer asked if she would ever take her 'gear off'. She laughed and got all shy when the topic came up. She mentioned that she would not be taking her 'gear off' any time soon. She mentioned that some thinsShe basically mentioned the differences between sensuality and sexuality. Which you mentioned above. She also feels that there is no reason for nude scenes in movies.
Chris

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[FV]

Hey VivaShania,
you got to become a columnist for Rolling Stone! http://www.shania-twain.org/messages/biggrin.gif Your essays are very well constructed, to the point and very clear! http://www.shania-twain.org/messages/smile.gif You have given us a great picture of Shania, the woman behind all those wonderful songs http://www.shania-twain.org/messages/smile.gif

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Cheers,
FV

[cbspock]

Originally posted by FV:
Hey VivaShania,
you got to become a columnist for Rolling Stone! http://www.shania-twain.org/messages/biggrin.gif Your essays are very well constructed, to the point and very clear! http://www.shania-twain.org/messages/smile.gif You have given us a great picture of Shania, the woman behind all those wonderful songs http://www.shania-twain.org/messages/smile.gif



AND PICTURES!!!!!

-Chris

[Roger]

"The idea that some modeling on the side detracts from her image is sometimes a whine of people who never regarded her highly in the first place. Other times it's the concern of well meaning fans."

This is a wonderful editorial, Viva. Of course you are right in all you say but I think, even though it may be wrong-headed to think this way, a lot of people do perceive Shania as primarily a sex-pot. These are of course people who are only superficially familiar with her music or her life. Now I know Shania has those SOCAN and BMG awards but I don't think this image is helping Shania be seen as a serious songwriter and performer with the public at large.

Roger

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[Vivashania]

>you got to become a columnist for Rolling Stone!<

Thanks but the problem is I don't know too much about anybody but Shania, haha. Now if they would add a regular column just on her, I'd volunteer. http://www.shania-twain.org/messages/smile.gif

[cbspock]

I think the ugliest picture of shania is the cover of the YSTO CD single. The seocnd worst is the Rolling Stones picture, she looks like a ferret.

I thought she was the classiest one at the CMA 2000 awards. That brown dress, and the pink gown were awesome. I agree with DOC, I think that is the image we are going to see from shania for the new album. The FHM pictures were probably the easiest way for her to break into the UK. They hear Nashville over there and think hick. Those pictures showed she was not the typical country artist. Some of the FHM pictures are really beautiful, with the exception of the Purple latex ones. I also think Shania was sexier in the IOH video than in MIFLAW.

-chris

[FV]

Originally posted by cbspock:
The seocnd worst is the Rolling Stones picture, she looks like a ferret.
LOL! Spock I wanna hear you in Timmins while you tell Shania in person that she looked like a ferret! http://www.shania-twain.org/messages/biggrin.gif LOL! Joking.. http://www.shania-twain.org/messages/smile.gif


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FV

[tides24]

No ferret ever had eyebrows like that! http://www.shania-twain.org/messages/biggrin.gif

[cbspock]

Originally posted by FV:
Originally posted by cbspock:
The seocnd worst is the Rolling Stones picture, she looks like a ferret.
LOL! Spock I wanna hear you in Timmins while you tell Shania in person that she looked like a ferret! http://www.shania-twain.org/messages/biggrin.gif LOL! Joking.. http://www.shania-twain.org/messages/smile.gif




No that's okay!! But I will say she is the best looking 'ferret' I have ever seen...LOL
-chris

[DOC BILL]

Ferrit indeed! You guys rip me up at times! Viva your editorial was awesome. What great insite into the issue of sensuality and a bit of understanding of Shania and her "roles" as a diva as well. This is really a good thread. I've enjoyed it and learned from it. Thanks! Ferrit indeed! DOC

[Steve F]

I don't care for ferrets, but this is one ferret I would welcome with open arms! http://www.shania-twain.org/messages/biggrin.gif

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It Looks Like It Is Going To Be A "Twaintastic" Day!
Steve

[Shunyeuh]

Tides, shed did go farther than the bra, that she was showing off and the rubber latex. and she has said she would never pose nude.I don't know if you know this one or not she taped her breasts in the video of ysto, when she droppes the robe. you can see the tape. I got thaat info from vh1 making the video Shunyeuh

[Joni]

Unsure and unaware of her own attractiveness, surprised by reactions to her early videos,

Excellent Viva! I love that line!

I truly believe she had no idea of her own appeal and we have been lucky enough to actually watch her as she has come "into her own" as she has become very comfortable with herself, how lucky we are!

Now, I have another idea! We have so many people who have expressed themselves through poems, articles, phrases, thoughts, etc. Why not put a book together, for Shania, as a gift to give her in Timmins! It can be full of this stuff! I think she would enjoy reading what Viva wrote and learning new phrases like "Twaintastic" What do you think?! Have a great day everyone!

Joni

[cbspock]

Originally posted by Joni:
Unsure and unaware of her own attractiveness, surprised by reactions to her early videos,

Excellent Viva! I love that line!

I truly believe she had no idea of her own appeal and we have been lucky enough to actually watch her as she has come "into her own" as she has become very comfortable with herself, how lucky we are!

Now, I have another idea! We have so many people who have expressed themselves through poems, articles, phrases, thoughts, etc. Why not put a book together, for Shania, as a gift to give her in Timmins! It can be full of this stuff! I think she would enjoy reading what Viva wrote and learning new phrases like "Twaintastic" What do you think?! Have a great day everyone!

Joni

And don't forget pictures!! I can put in some of the pics, and the xmas card, and Joni don't forget your ad, we can put that on the cover!!! I am willing to help put it together.
-Chris

[Vivashania]

>Now, I have another idea! We have so many people who have expressed themselves through poems, articles, phrases, thoughts, etc. Why not put a book together, for Shania, as a gift to give her in Timmins! It can be full of this stuff! I think she would enjoy reading what Viva wrote and learning new phrases like "Twaintastic" What do you think?! Have a great day everyone!<

That's an excellent idea. Those of you going to Timmins should have a gift for Shania. Any text material I've written (from any source) can be used for this purpose if desired.

[FV]

Alright then! We're doing this STUSOFC Scrap book of fans' mail and pictures for Shania in Timmins!!! http://www.shania-twain.org/messages/smile.gif

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Cheers,
FV

[Joni]

Cool! A Webmaster has spoken! This will be a great gift!

Joni http://www.shania-twain.org/messages/smile.gif

[AINAHS]

I really enjoyed this thread and thought many new members here might also get a kick out of it.

[FV]

WOW AINAHS, you are really going through the full archives..LOL! :BL :) :Bthumb

[drumbeat51]

Shania is not doing anything she would otherwise do in my opinion. She does Shoots that come natural to her, or she would not do them.

I agree with a lot of points that Viva has raised, and art has meant different things to different people through out the ages. The over all concept of beauty and sexuality have changed throughout history. If you like art, you can see the paintings and portraits and images of beauty has changed from medival Europe to the present day.

Art forms, and the body have fansinated people for years. It is expression and communication of feeling, and desires that words cannnot discribe, but other mediums can. IN shanias case, maybe it his her music, and the general way she conveys sexuality in herself that is so sexy. She does not have to reveal anything to convey her personality and stimulate perception of her.

We must not forget, that Shania has good people around her, in pratically every area of business to organizational inter personal social skills. What shania does is natural for her. What she does not quite understand, she has people there to act as advisors. Shania never has to push the envelope to make an impression on the market or the recording industry. She has made suggestions, revealing enough to say, yes I feel sensual, but I am not crazy LOL. :) :)

An image with the music. Sensual enough to say, get courious, and come buy my records LOL

Ken

[AINAHS]

Ken - Well put! Not much I can add that has not been said here in this thread except that I am here and love Shania for her voice over and above the physical beauty she has in abundance - the voice and what she does with it is why she enthralls me and keeps me coming back for more and more - it was the same for me with Emmylou Harris and Buddy Holly - their voices connected with me at my soul level and never let go - they thrill and inspire me and make me happy and ecstatic every time I listen to them - just like Shania.

[Zeee!]

How far will she go??? Well, I damn sure hope its not like it is when she takes off her makeup. She takes it all off. :HG

Come on, everbody!!!!! *wolf whistles* *cat calls* *your average WoooooHooooos and YeeeeHaaaaas, claps, whatever... :BL

You know most women don't have enough self-esteem to do that, especially before the whole world.

[CountryBumpkin]

I had seen a made up picture of Shania that some one sent me to my email a while back and saved it.I knew it was a fake,so I'll send it as an attachment so you all can see that Shania really wouldn't do such a thing, I think especially now because of Eja.I don't think Shania would want little Eja to see and read about his Mommy doing any such things like this...


FV's Note: The attachment has been removed as the post makes a great point even without the image. Thank you. :)